cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/[email protected]/p/2474069/ice-is-reportedly-using-a-palantir-database-to-compile-dossiers-on-protestors-engadget
An attorney representing protestors said this infringes on First Amendment rights.
After the 9/11 attacks suspected terrorists were put on the no fly list and the Interpol Terrorism Watch List, and we said nothing because they were, well, terrorists.
Except they weren’t. Any agent of numerous departments could put anyone on these lists. Soon random Americans with Arabic names discovered they couldn’t board their plane. Journalists and protesters found themselves subject to extra search protocols and harassment by law enforcement.
Americans discovered they could be deprived of civil liberties by any officer of the law, who could add them to a list. No justifying reason. No due process. Just, fuck you, civilian.
Eventually existence of these lists became public. At first courts had to compell DHS to allow people to check if they were on the list, and then more suits were necessary to create a process for someone to petition to be taken off the list.
Before Trump 1.0, the process was still labyrinthine and a heavy administrative burden to submit such a petition. I don’t know what happened after Trump.
it’s entirely in the character of this SCOTUS to decide law enforcement and national security agencies can make lists of enemies of state as they see fit, and deny people on the list equal protection under law.
And now we have super database engines like Palantir, so of course, Ice has a little list / has a little list. It’ll be more interesting to see how the courts respond. Due process isn’t what it used to be.
I still fantasize that NGOs should create a database of ICE employees so they can be tracked and brought to justice. Dunno if that’s actually happening.
Americans are in genuine danger from their government and this is only going to get worse. If the midterms fail to affect change through the democratic system, you all are going to have to make a choice between complete capitulation to a group of child raping tyrants, or actually fighting back together. I hate this timeline.
I guaran-fuckin-tee ya, Americans will choose capitulation. There’s a very special “The Voice” coming up.
I’ve always assumed they were profiling protesters. I go to to protests head-to-toe in full costume because of it.
They can try to profile me, but they’re just going to get a costume that millions of people own.
Also going to protests is kind of silly because they don’t do anything. No use getting on some government hit list for holding some sign making fun of Trump or ice.
Protests don’t do anything… which is also why they are completely forbidden in Russia and you’ll get arrested for one person protests with blank signs. Coming soon to the US as well.
Generally, that’s true.
But there’s one example where protests have made a ton of change recently: Flock has lost 400 contracts since June. But that’s because the protests have morphed into people actually going to city council meetings.
Yeah… that’s how protests work. They change the narrative and get people that won’t go to protests to go to city council meetings or to email or call their government officials.
I’ve heard it as; “it shows like-minded people that there are also others who care about a cause.”
Anti-abortion laws might get passed and you may think “wow, I can’t believe everyone thinks that way” and then a protest happens with thousands of people in attendance and you realise your view isn’t irrelevant. This can lead to people moving for change.
Unfortunately, this also works for bigoted protests, like anti-immigration protests bringing all the dickheads together to a shared cause.
making fun of protests is exactly the kind of stuff that lands us in voter apathy
Except it literally gathers groups of like minded individuals. Individual we’re weak but together we become strong.
At this point I feel people are galvanized already to their beliefs. You have those for this, and those against this, there’s little to no room for those calling for both sides to come to an agreement.
Right: I want to kill trans people
Left: I want me and friends to be left alone
You: can’t we come to some sort of compromise?
Left: I want my trans daughter to dunk on your bio daughter.
At least be honest. And I am on the left but don’t act like the case is literally just let us live our lives vs trans extinction.
I personally and explicitly do not want my trans daughter anywhere near you or your family. Regardless of if you are ‘on the left’ or not.
The tolerant left. I hope you and your trans daughter have a great and fulfilling life.
‘The tolerant left’ has only ever been a right wing slogan.
The problem is no one cares when your daughter gets dunked on by someone else’s cis-daughter. CIS-on-cis injuries in women’s sports are ubiquitous. If youre XX and still built like a brick wall, (the same mold as our women firefighters) then you’re just a ringer.
No, they’re worried about trans athletes and their potential for harm, even though there’s about ten such athletes throughout the US, and the instances involving injuries are about a handful.
And similarly no one cares about the severe (life-changing) TBI machine that is full-contact gridiron football, varsity, college and professional. Then we revel in the blood and profits.
The trans issue is pure right wing propaganda, and essentially just a means for MAGAs to signal their presence to their fellow cultists.
Yeah if your argument is Americans have an unhealthy connection with sports for sure I agree.
It’s not unique to Americans. Many countries have an unhealthy relationship with FIFA, although gridiron football is only slightly short of gladiatorial blood sports. (It doesn’t kill participants, only reduces them to a shell of their former selves.) German football hooliganism is notorious.
I can’t speak for rugby or hockey, which also look dangerous but don’t have leagues as powerful as NFL.
Also the US has boxing and mixed-martial-arts cage matches. I don’t know if those have near-equivalents outside America.
At some point in your attempt to defend rapists and attack trans people, you are going to have to reckon with the fact that you are not a leftist or anywhere leaning left.
I’m not defending any rapists or attacking any trans people.
We can see your comments.
Guys go easy on him, his AI is down right now so he’s typing this from memory.
These bad trees keep bearing bad fruit, makes sense, they always bear poison.
Mask up, don’t bring your phone.
Of course they are. Who doubted they would?
Fascists love that kind of stuff. They always do lists of the people they would like to kill.
Saving up names for houses to raid and disappear people later.
its probably much worse.
ICE was raiding specific buildings because they needed to be cleared out for development by the kushners. I’m sure Trumps secret police is capable of anything.
I’d love a news article about it.
It affirms that ICE is just a paramilitary agency that is loyal to the regime, and has nothing to do with law enforcement or national security. The police and enforcement assertions are just color.
I don’t remember all the details but this is what I could find
This was the building that was raided that his investment firm had ties to: https://abc7chicago.com/post/ex-residents-south-shore-chicago-apartment-building-targeted-massive-immigration-raid-seek-millions-damages/19107787/
I did find that some building shares were sold after an unrelated scandal, but I think it was this firm that had ties to the building in Chicago that was blitzed. https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/jared-kushners-family-selling-chicago-building-center-pay-play-scandal/
I wish I had thae article Im thinking of on hand, but i read it shortly after the raid occurred, so it was about a year ago. I remember reading how this blitz style raid traced back to shady dealings and an investment in real estate by kushner.
Oh that raid! I remember the event of the raid, specifically but didn’t know it was a Kushner building. Wow!
People are still protesting?
They are.
And in fact, people just doing good old fashioned protesting and testifying are accomplishing great things, like getting almost 400 Flock contracts killed since June. I made a video about it.
You might imagine that billionaires aren’t much inclined to report on such things, and they own all of the major news outlets.
