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cross-posted from: https://thelemmy.club/post/57178743
RyanL Bitwarden Employee
Hello everyone!
Starting in the next release, the Bitwarden apps published to the various stores will be the commercially licensed builds. No action is needed, and the apps will work exactly as they do today.
Bitwarden remains committed to open source security and transparency The GPLv3 OSS licensed version continues to be updated and published on GitHub All current features are available in both versions License details are on GitHub Bitwarden remains committed to a robust, free forever plan for everyoneIf you have any questions, please ask them in this thread. Thanks all!
EDIT:
Bitwarden is not going closed-source You can still fork Bitwarden No change to self-hosting, the licensing change affects those who are repackaging and reselling Bitwarden The free plan is here to stay permanently
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I really don’t want to have to switch password managers again.
Don’t even know where i’d switch.
Proton -> I already use Proton suite and I like the seperation, the 2 password option doesn’t work for me either. I just need a seperate password.
Keepass -> I use quite a few devices and the sync just seems like a nightmare…
Any other options? For now i’ll stick as BW is still great but will start exploring others.
Keepass X Syncthing
syncthing runs on everything and is easy to configure.
Maybe it’s changed in the year since I tried but I absolutely could not get syncthings to work on android
But thousands of people have it working just fine. Not calling you out but it does work very well. Did you follow a step by step guide? I know websearch makes it hard to learn new tech things these days.
Just keep in mind, set up a default folder and file (filename.kdbx) to share on one device, add Remote Device (QR code helps there), go to Sharing Tab and select Default Folder. If the Default Folder isn’t ticked on both devices in the Sharing Tab on each, nothing happens. When you work it out, that folder can be called anything and you can get advanced with how or when it shares or which direction the data goes (think photo backup from mobile to desktop).
New Android app to use is:
https://github.com/chenxiaolong/BasicSync
Use Obtainium- https://github.com/ImranR98/Obtainium - to install it and keep it updated. Obtainium can update itself the same way.
Convoluted, I know, but so is relying on a company to host for you in the cloud. They just hide all the complexity behind the interface. With Syncthing, once it’s set up between all your devices (and there is a way to quickly auto accept setup once further advanced/knowledgeable), it just chugs along in the background. Changes to keepass file appear almost instantly across each device once it’s opened.
I’m probably going to try it again in the near future and hopefully it’s better than it was. Saving your comment, thank you.
Oh, I hope not. It’s not really that clear. I’ve been on it for a long, long time so would have got through that stage you tested with no issues. Having Basicsync now is nice, it’s just the webui on your phone with some quality of life improvements like when it turns on etc. Very simple and familiar across multiple devices.
Try comparing what I said with the official guide from “Configuring” downwards. Hits more than what I tried to communicate and has screenshots if you get lost.
https://docs.syncthing.net/intro/getting-started.html
When I first started with it, I just set it up on my phone with the Default Folder (and file inside) at /sync and then walked around to the other devices, open up Show ID on the new one I’m at, add remote from my phone and QR scan the new device. You then get a notification to accept the device, then make sure Default Folder in Sharing is ticked for both. You can just find devices on the network too.
The more devices, the greater redundancy on the keepass file if you lose a device or it fails. Sometimes there are conflicts with files that haven’t been synced properly (none of my family’s iOS devices sync always on in the background and I don’t use iOS so it’s not my problem and hasn’t been troubleshot) but you can merge conflicts in Syncthing in Keepass by merging both files together. Set up Simple File Versioning and 5-10 copies when you are confident with it. If you have a device that’s always on like a server, it tends to be the arbiter of truth and catches sync issues. Android/Linux/Windows just work for me.
Good luck.
A little more than a year ago, Syncthing for Android had a lot of issues, there was a breaking change installed that required updates and the existing clients had issues, it has since been forked.
If you don’t need the granular security or family-friendliness it should provide.
Yes I want to say this was right before or during the chaos because I remember reading about the fork after I gave up lol
Bitwarden’s front-end (Apps, Extensions) must be hard forked before it is too late.
It’s still open source
Goddamnit, enshittification comes for ALL paid services eventually. Looks like I have another service to start self hosting…
That’s quite the disappointment. Probably need to prepare to switch away from bitwarden or at least research options for open source clients for my vaultwarden backend.
Someone can correct me, but this change seems to be targeting people who are repackaging bitwarden and selling it. It does feel like we are trending the wrong direction though.
If you read their announcement carefully you’ll find things like
All current features are available in both versionsWhich strongly implies that the different versions will start to diverge over time. Then at one point they will just be like maah it’s not worth putting more work into the open source thing, we’ll focus on building new cool features yada yada yada. And this is how all the open to partly open to closed source rug pulls worked in the last years.
(If you want to do this the worst way possible like MinIO you also squash / delete the Git history the moment you announce you’re only working on closed source)
Minio also deleted the repos altogether about two weeks ago.
Yeah well, didn’t know this. I’m still running some old minio instances on my home server. Need to check if the docker images are still around otherwise I urgently need a backup plan…
Fucking hell, why didn’t they at least leave the old code available 😭
I tried to stand up a notesnook instance to test a couple days ago and it kept failing because minio doesn’t exist anymore.
They really fucked a lot of people.
That was written in the sky…
Open-Source is literally used as marketing tool for the under dogs until they reach a critical mass of users.
People were fighting on social media, defending the product, suggesting it, “it’s open source”, people were doing the marketing for them.
No wonder why people feel like they got raped, after all the hard work they have done for them…
But at least they didn’t contribute code, did you? Not me, because I am old enough to never use such products, it’s a classic rug pull, bait and switch.
Open source doesn’t mean it’s good, it must be hold by a bunch of strangers in T-shirt, not in full suite…
Corpo in disguise…
Pretty much seen it coming when the new CEO came in and removed the words “Transparency” and “Always Free” from the official marketing.
Whether you believe it or not is another matter, but this very post still includes the words “transparency” and “always free”.
Bitwarden remains committed to open source security and transparency
Bitwarden remains committed to a robust, free forever plan for everyone
and a bonus:
The free plan is here to stay permanently
You can already see them positioning themselves to start removing features with the phrase “free plan.”
Nothing stopping them from limiting the number of passwords available in “the free plan” or something, pressuring users into “the pay plan.”
But I’m pretty cynical.
Lastpass limited the number of device types, phone OR desktop
I’d find it more likely they remove passkeys and TOTP from the free plan.
My fam will not like moving password managers again, but it might be time.
Need PC, Mac, Linux, Android, IOS, Passkeys, TOTP, Granular Permissions, keepass ain’t gonna cut it. Getting off my ass and making something isn’t impossible, but i’m not looking forward to figuring out passkeys, copy, paste and accessiblilty on IOS.
I’d find it more likely they remove passkeys and TOTP from the free plan.
Afaik totp aren’t supported on free plan already
Fantastic. I’m tired of having to change password managers. DashLane, Keepass, LastPass, etc., they all end up shooting their own foot somehow.
What happened to keepass?
It has become Keep Ass.
If you are on Lemmy, theres very high probability that you also have the technical abilities required to self host Vaultwarden and stop relying on a greedy company for your most critical aspect.
I could but I don’t want. Self hosting something this important? I can’t login to any website without this software, including my email. It’s super critical.
The vault gets synced to your devices. So even if your Backend goes down you dont lose access to your passwords in an instant
yeah, until the client logs you out randomly. it has an increased chance when the server behaves funky.
I’ve been self-hosting vaultwarden for a year and this has literally never happened to me.
it happens to me once or twice a year, and to people for whom I have installed bitwarden too. official clients, bitwarden.com server.
Maybe that’s a bitwarden issue, I guess. One more point for selfhosting. Also, even if that were to happen to you, you most likely have it installed in more than one device. The chances of all sessions logging out at the same time would be extremely low.
The chances of all sessions logging out at the same time would be extremely low.
not all devices, but multiple of them did log out roughly the same time. so, don’t rely on storing the 2FA authenticator app’s password in it.
“bitwarden apps will be the commercially licensed builds.” I don’t understand how this is going to change anything.
I self-host vaultwarden. I use the official Bitwarden app, it works swimmingly. Going the self-hosted route you get enterprise features (I don’t use em).
Doesn’t the licensing stuff connect with the backend not the app?
All current features are available in both versions
They will start making changes exclusively to the propriety app, and eventually the proprietary app will be completely incompatible with the FOSS app. They’re doing what Google did with AOSP.
