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    Doesn’t sound like it’s specific to grapheneos. It’s probably on any android.

    Don’t be afraid to use grapheneos. Grapheneos works perfectly fine. It’s a normal android just with more control over your phone.

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      GrapheneOS is the ONLY free android build that has an alternative by installing the playstore…

      Edit: apparently nobody has an idea of the free android landscape. Distros like LineageOS, iodeOS, CalyxOS all dont support sandboxed play so Aurora is the only way to get playstore apps directly from there. Apkmirror does not work with Obtainium and APKpure has had malware in the past.

      GrapheneOS is literally the only one NOT necessarily affected by this

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        The GrapheneOS team explicitly recommends against installing the aurora store for that exact reason. If you can install the stock play store with a burner email then the aurora store doesn’t actually give much of a privacy benefit (you are still uniquely identified either way) but aurora store is playing a game of whack-a-mole with Google.

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          No, Aurorastore is still worlds more private than Google Play, and until now it was really reliable!

          It runs as an unprivileged user app and uses randomized accounts. You can add all apps you dont want Google to know of to your blocklist, so the unique fingerprint from your app list is extremely reduced. Google Play doesnt do that. Aurora is WAY better for privacy

          For security yeah, you can use google play and add the signatures to VerifiedApps

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            It runs as an unprivileged user app and uses randomized accounts.

            Google play services under graphene are all also unprivileged.

            You can add all apps you dont want Google to know of to your blocklist, so the unique fingerprint from your app list is extremely reduced

            I wouldn’t say extremely, as you still need to keep all of the apps which you install from the store itself unblocked to get updates. Anecdotally for me, that list is all of the niche apps which I can’t use FOSS alternatives for, like banking, work, transit, etc. so it’s very likely still uniquely identifying. If you’re hiding system services in Aurora that you don’t want it touching, that makes it even easier to identify you, because Google play doesn’t do that.

            Aurora is WAY better for privacy

            I’m not a security researcher and am basically regurgitating what the Graphene team has said about it, as I think they know a lot more about how the play store works under the hood and the information that is required to send to Google than I do. I think they have a blog post about it somewhere.

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              Yes they are unprivileged, and the gmscompat tool doesnt give them more access that is true. Still it is google software with the intention to control your device and spy on you, while Aurorastore is a slim app that even allows to restrict the apps it tells to Google.

              If you’re hiding system services in Aurora that you don’t want it touching, that makes it even easier to identify you, because Google play doesn’t do that.

              It is less data. GrapheneOS will have less system apps than stock android so that immediately gives it away.

              Asking Google for updates is also different from telling it a complete list of your installed apps. You might simply not try to update these system apps currently.

              In the end, it is really good that play services work on GrapheneOS, but they are still more invasive as regular user apps than alternatives.