Not sure if they do it deliberately, but there’s like this sorta expectation to sympathize with parents who despite being poor still have children. Didn’t they make a CHOICE though? Do you think they should be solely responsible for making it?

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    I’ll take the bait.

    So firstly, to blame the poor is propaganda. It is a long and well documented strategy for people who are better off than you to use people who are worse off as the visible threat to your lifestyle. You’ll likely never see a billionaire but you’ll see plenty of homeless and immigrants and it’s easy to point to them and say “that’s what you’ll be if you don’t follow the rules” or “those are the people making it hard for you.”

    There are no people that are poor by choice, they are forced into that position by a social structure that needs the threat of poverty to operate. So to blame people for doing a natural part of human biology while poor is like asking “how dare those in debt spend the money they owe on food to survive?”

    Empathy is the only thing that threatens this status quo. Quit judging people for being different and instead judge them on the harm they put into this world. Our society is so fucked that we produce excess food just to take up space in stores. Every human being on the planet could live the idealized American middle class life on 30% of the global GDP. The only reason anyone is poor is because we let awful people make the rules.

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      Ok ok, youve turned the wrong alley, buddy. Im not judging the poor or the rich or anyone or having🤐🤐 any thoughts or/and opinions about how society should and shouldnt be. Like in the other replies I am just asking why is it that in case of wanting children (a luxary) the judgement is different than in case of wanting a nice car (also luxary, albeit, less expensive 🙂)

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        Because having a child isn’t a luxury. Reproduction is how a species works and luxury is a term for something wholly unnecessary and is inherently economically coded.

        If animals had to afford to have babies we’d live in a barren world.

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          I am not going to argue over the definition of the word “luxury” but on an individual level (not populational!!!) how does it make sense to still choose to have a child (excluding accidents, rape and lack of education!!!) in THIS frigging economy lmao.

          __>shoots himself in the foot

          __>“nooooo why is there a bullethole in my foot”

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        It’s genuinely insane that you consider reproducing a luxury. It’s a basic biological drive and something that can happen by accident. Yes it can be prevented, where legal, but people uncomfortable with getting an abortion shouldn’t be pressured into it. Also society relies on reproduction to a certain degree.

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          It’s genuinely insane that you don’t.

          The species needs a new generation, no individual putative parent has a need to reproduce.

          people uncomfortable with getting an abortion shouldn’t be pressured into it

          People uncomfortable with getting an abortion should absolutely be pressured into it. And pressured into being comfortable with it. Choosing to keep an unplanned pregnancy should be every bit as stigmatized everywhere as getting an abortion is in Utah today.

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              Then fuck off with your attempts to control other people’s wallets. Once we completely eliminate child support and put hard caps on the amount of kids someone can claim benefits for without hose kids being taken away and raised by a fit parent, then you can make that point. It’ll still be insipid as hell and pandering to horrible people and their religious bullshit, but at least it won’t be pure license for indiscriminate reproduction on society’s dime.

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            People uncomfortable with getting an abortion should absolutely be pressured into it.

            Absolutely the fuck not.