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  • I fail to see how what I said conflicts with any of what you said. You give a more detailed summary, but what I said, from what I see, is still completely accurate. I make no claim for how society will develop over time, only that societies that operate under socialism or communism should operate in this manner. I also make no claim that the government under communism is the same continuous entity as the government that we currently exist under, only that a government must exist to enforce its will onto companies (a collective of the workers is still a government if it has the ability to enforce its will).

    Your comment is informative for sure, and also a good summary of Marxist communism, but it does not directly answer the question posed, ie, how does a society theoretically operate under communism?


  • Broadly speaking, there is no practical difference, hence I didn’t make that distinction. Even in a stateless society, there must be some sort of regulatory body. Even a regulatory body made of the common people is, by definition, a regulatory body. And if this regulatory body has the power to enforce its will onto the entities that it has control over, then I fail to see how that is any different from a government.

    It’s not a governmental structure that we would be used to, but it’s a government nonetheless. So at that point, what we’re really arguing over is what methods the people should use to influence this regulatory body. Which is something that I explicitly did not comment on.

    If we acknowledge that some form of government must exist in any form of communism, then we can roughly summarize Marxist communism as “the government, which consists of the people organized in a nonhierarchical manner, exerts total managerial and executive control over all industries.” I consider this to be an accurate assessment of Marxist communism, just not phrased in the way that a leftist typically would phrase it


  • Communism is a more extreme subset of socialism, where socialism, broadly, is an umbrella term for “we want government oversight on companies.” Socialism can take many forms, such as government having direct oversight on companies, or government passing binding guidelines on what companies can or can’t do, or government operating a company (while still allowing competitor companies to operate as normal). Note that government policies under socialism can and will depend on the industry. Healthcare might be subject to more government oversight than steel manufacturing, for instance.

    Communism takes this idea and applies it to all companies in all industries. ie, the government has oversight on all companies. Note that there are also many forms of communism that interpret “oversight” in different ways. More classical forms of communism, for instance, recommends that the government directly manages companies and operates as executives




  • There’s a saying in Chinese. It rhymes in Chinese (which makes it so much cooler) but the translated version is this:

    Given equivalent units of gold and time, it is easy to trade time for gold, but it is challenging to trade gold for time.

    Essentially, be wary of how much you’re devoting to your work, because it doesn’t matter how successful you are, you will never get your life back

    There’s another one that I find to be very relevant with the times:

    a boat with naturally straighten itself when it nears a bridge

    It’s a descriptivist version of the English saying “we’ll cross that bridge when we get there.” Essentially, problems have a way of sorting themselves out when things get desperate enough