Yeah right.

Yeah, none of those issues contradict anything I said.

That’s disingenous. Most other apps don’t promise cryptographically secure communications, for one. For the other, the man in the middle renders any purported security of signal moot, as I originally implied. So both disingenious, and begging the question. Logical fallacies typical of bad faith or poorly structured arguments.

I was in a meeting recently and the smart tv had a screensaver showing a 1950’s-esque street scene sidescrolling and showing what looked like at least one text ad in the bacground.

The new OOB experience.

Still a bit of an absurd reply. Most people can’t do that, and won’t know to do that. Signal is secure enough for me to pass my passwords and safe code to my relatives when I go into surgery.

It isn’t trustworthy against google or any state google iis regulated by, by any measure of cryptographic theory since whenever.

Not arbitrary: consciousness is a defined word with historical meaning. “Consciousness comes from the Latin word conscious, which means “knowing with” or “having joint knowledge.” The term evolved in English during the 17th century, with its modern meaning relating to awareness of one’s own mind first appearing in the late 1600s.”

You have arbitrarily redefined consciousness, implicitly by context to include any response to the environment. What good is epistemology if a plant’s hormonal action implies self awareness?

Edit: Imagine, if you will, that the stream of consciousness using language to tie a plant’s hormonal action to self awareness, e.g., words like “plants know when” is just as much of a cognitive and emotional hallucination as the most sublime sounding gibberish produced by an LLM.

Paying for access means licensing. And your second argument is downright incorrect.

https://developer.android.com/guide/app-bundle/ I just had to check, it doesn’t require source, but just some compiler resource files, but that also doesn’t matter. Google keeps the signing keys and can read all input and also signals private keys, and the user wouldn’t know.

It says specifically, google generates the apk. That means they can shim the whole app, regardless of source code. People subject to government surveillance shouldn’t consider any app store application safe.

Google requires source code to publish in the play store. Google owns a copy of the signing key. Google can rewrite your software in your name. It has been this way for years.

Doubtful. Google owns the signing keys specifically so they can recompile for individual downloads.

Edit : here is google info page on it https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9842756?hl=en

Google generates the apk after compiling it, and signs it with a key they previously generated. They’ve publically stated they want your code to recompile as they wish.

All the replies to this are dense. If google can recompile your code, they are the ultimate man-in-the-middle.

Here, google keeps signing keys to customize the apk, this means they can insert code in the app, regardless of whether it is source or compiled. This means they can copy the signal encryption keys and send them anywhere. https://developer.android.com/guide/app-bundle/

I swear there is latency even though I swapped out gboard. Plus, gboard randomly swaps back in.