Deer are farmed, too. You can just buy venison at fancy butcher shops in many large cities.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/11/21/where-to-buy-game-meat-in-the-bay-area-from-oakland-to-los-gatos-to-sonoma/

Or, maybe you’ve heard about buying things online.

https://www.blackwing.com/venison.html

https://meatnbone.com/collections/venison

Finding venison isn’t an impossible task by any stretch of the imagination.

If you ask around, you might be surprised who has some in their freezer and would be willing to trade something else for it. One time when I was visiting my parents we wanted some and asked around and found out one of my mom’s friends had plenty. Traded them a pan of brownies and bottle of wine for a couple pounds of stew meat. Everyone was a winner.

DA fuq?

I’ve worked in wildlife conservation, and I’m all for it. With a few caveats.

• Be a fucking good shot. Practice. Don’t slop and wound. Humane kills to the greatest extent possible. Know what the fuck you’re doing.
• Eat the meat. Venison is delicious. Harvest, don’t just take a trophy.
• No spears. Holy shit, please. See point 1. Why is this still a thing? Even a niche thing, but still.
• Don’t scoff at tag prices. Be proud of your contribution. Donate to the crunchy granola hippies that ensure you have game to hunt.

Wow, so Signal is secure, huh?

Can someone check the schedule for the next run of corn? I have a couple bangers in the hopper and don’t went to miss it.

No.

Shit no. Chickens that peck at their own eggs have major problems, either psychological/stress or nutritional.

Maybe ask a woman what her period tastes like and after you get kicked in the nuts so hard they bounce off the roof of your mouth, you’ll know the flavor of reproductive material one way or another.

Yet I can ask it to do work that only a moderately smart human can do, like read, and it fucks that up so hard.

Is this how we find out Sam Altman is actually an illiterate dipshit?

Sure, but it might be hard for NYT to make the case for that. All the browser fingerprint would say is “Chrome” and have spoofed data after that.

I expect they did some trial and error to demonstrate what’s happening before filling a lawsuit over it.

That being said, NYT just told everyone how to get free NYT. Best advertising Brave ever had.

IP rights are pretty awesome for a lot of engineers, writers and artists.

Regardless, anyone who’s paywall can be defeated by a little JS switcheroo has dogshit for a paywall. If I have apple trees in my yard, and my fence is made of 7 or 8 sticks, when people stop by and snack on an apple, should I be mad at them or myself?

My parents’ garage is packed full of “tools” that are 50% cheap Chinese gimmick crap bought on a whim for a “maybe” problem they end up asking me to fix with real tools because by the time the problem happens, they forgot about the cheap gimmick thing bought to fix it.

Reddit’s terrible privacy practices are what made me leave years ago. Everything you look at and do is sold to Google. Making it a browser fingerprint profiling gold mine.

People on reddit thinking they’re practicing privacy are often asking questions like “I used my friend’s microwave? Does the FBI have my phone number now?” They’re mostly idiots.

No one on Privacy Guides is canceling, or least they’re not public about it. Because of their desire for privacy.

“I learned it from you, Dad!”

• LLM agent trained on human data where we solve our problems with either beaurocracy or violence.

You joke about this, but my theory is that either they’ll try and run compute on idle browsers open to their site for free users, or the let you “earn” some freemium tier by asking you to install some data harvesting “screensaver” like Seti@Home, that steals your compute at home.

I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree here, but I still think you’re really mixing up a lot of things and just painting a blanket “skills are lost” label to anything that’s not at its peak.

Case in point, I used to wear bow ties once in a while, back when that was a cool thing people did. I haven’t worn one in maybe 5 or 6 years. So I tried to tie one and it took a couple tries to remember how to do it.

Now, you’re saying I “lost” the skill by not remembering perfectly. I’m saying my skill at it degraded.

Was I ever the best bow tie tier in the world? Of course not. My skill was good enough - maybe 50% of what it would have been had I worn one every day. So at my peak, my skill level was 50%. This morning, it was 10%. Now it’s probably at 35%.

Was the skill ever down to 0% and lost? No. Did it degrade? Sure.

I learned a bit of Arabic once, and knew the alphabet decently well. That was 20+ years ago, and at this point I can’t even write my own name anymore. That is a skill I’ve lost. 0% capacity right now to read even a single letter.

Which is to say that not every person that writes code is operating at 100% code knowledge and capabilities. I know some HTML, CSS, and JS among other things, but I’m like 5% at that level. I’ve worked with people that knew their stuff, but were sloppy and lazy and made mistakes. Maybe they’re around 60% good at it. Will they ever lose that skill entirely? Maybe. But it might just degrade over time if they rely on LLMs to do the work.

Just like how the people that work in a Wonder Bread factory don’t know how to bake bread, they know how to operate a bread-making machine.

As for security and reliance on LLMs code - no one should do that! But, as LLMs doing cybersecurity auditcs and attacks have readily shown, human code wasn’t perfect. Far from it.

Someone that’s lazy and sloppy and 2 years ago was writing bad code now can rely on the LLM to write bad code, and not know enough to QC it. That’s someone that would rather run the bread making machine than bake the bread the right way because they don’t value the product in the first place. If they’re using their own bad code, or an LLM’s bad code, what’s the ultimate difference? Their poor skill erodes and degrades? Hard to be sympathetic to that when it’s people that got paid well to shuffle along and barely do enough to get by sometimes and chose CS as a major in college for the money.

Is this finally the manifestation of “you’ll own nothing and love it” or whatever it was?

Someone did the same math as SETI in 1999, when they asked people to take idle compute to grind data. At what point does the free tier of ChatGPT grind data on your machine like some sort of bitcoin mining malware?

Let’s extrapolate: Humans are 70% water - Buddy, at what point do to you start trying to dehydrate orphans to cool all the ram you want to harvest from average people?

Wait…are you storing a motherboard in your butt? Dude, that’s got corners.

/s, people. Sheesh.

Ah, OK - I think you’re conflating a few terms here, which is causing the confusion.

First, a skill that must be practiced and kept up is called a perishable skill. CPR is a perishable skill, you have to get re-certified to prove you’ve practiced. Speaking a language is also one. I used to speak Spanish pretty well and French OK, and over the last 15 years of not using either of those and learning other languages instead, my Spanish sucks and my French is limited to like 50 words. “Skill Decay” is the term for when someone used to know how to do a perishable skill well, and then stopped practicing and would need to practice more before doing it again.

Use it or lose it. If you don’t bake for 20 years and then get back into baking, you’ll find you have to relearn some stuff.

Right - that’s a perishable skill. If you experience skill decay and forget how to bake well, it doesn’t meant that the whole world has also lost the ability to bake bread.

Second, “Lost Skill” can mean a few things - I’m talking about it in terms of a societal lost skill. I don’t think you are, so it’s sort of a nebulous conversation pinned to a single term.

I’m talking about lost skills like hunting mammoths with an atlatl, or telephone switchboard operator. Skills attached to tasks where the task ceased to be part of our world. Mine horse trainer. High priest to the Temple of Zeus. Things like that.

What’s actually not a lost skill to our species? A lot of things where someone (or many someones) have kept the alive and recorded so we can still learn how to do it if we want. Papyrus scroll maker? You can learn that. How to make garum, the fish sauce that Ancient Rome used instead of salt on their food? You can learn that, too. How to hunt deer with an atlatl? We still have deer, and people still play around with atlatls, so it’s just hunting deer with a different weapon. Amazingly, there are people that hunt with spears for the hell of it. Weird, but they’re keeping a paleolithic skill alive in our species while others that are more modern have come and gone.

Back to bread. Why bake bread if you don’t need to know how? Personally, I learned how to brew beer, bake fancy bread, make pasta, make kimchi, make pickles, cure meat, and a few other things because I like those things and lived in places where the versions of those things I like weren’t available. The knowledge on how to do those skills was easily available, and so I learned in order to improve my quality of life. Many people do it for fun. Some people are lucky enough to do it for pay as skilled artisans that can charge $8 for a loaf of sourdough (getting up at 4:00am, notwithstanding the lucky part).

As for CS majors and people that write code, there are people out there that still know how to write COBOL and Fortran and early computer languages that used to be taught commonly. This is, so far, not a lost skill to our species, but it will be in 50 years as those people pass away, and no new programs are written in those languages. That’s like hunting with a spear. It might fade out and be lost, but it’s something people in the future can learn if they want. Modern coding is used everywhere all the time, so that skill in general is not at risk of being lost, even with LLMs.

When I was in high school, I wrote HTML by hand because my friends and I were dorks and thought using Word to get basic WYSIWYG formatting was “cheating.” We made fun of each other as sissies and bitches for using Word to format our Geocities pages - can you believe it? Then after maybe 6 months, we all stopped being idiots and realized that while knowing the basics were important to make little changes, letting the machine help you on the bulk of the work was just a huge savings of time and frustration. Once all our geocities pages were up and running, no one inspected the code anyway, so it ultimately didn’t matter other than our teenage egos.

Personally, I think a lot of the friction here is similar to the fading of the US auto industry. Americans hold a lot of self-identity with their jobs. And, these are very good-paying, highly-skilled jobs that are narrow enough they don’t allow for much transfer of the skillset to things like HVAC repair or plumber. So to go from $180K a year to being made redundant and learning that you’re now unskilled for most other work available is a double shock, and demand learning skills for another unrelated job entirely from scratch.

It sucks, but it happens a lot on this planet.

Did you just read my example? I literally just used this same example somewhere in the comments.

No one lost the skill. People interested to learn the skill can learn it. It’s just not a widely known skill because units you rant to know the skill, there’s no reason to know that into…

Not really.

LLMs do great at what’s expected cheap and fast. So for needs that are already well-worn territory, yes LLMs will do great. Do you need basic HTML, CSS and JS? Great, that’s a perfect use case. Easily handed by any LLM

Are you coding a bespoke system that is unique in an obscure language? LLMs will suck at that.

There’s a lot in between. It’s more about the bulk of people doing basic coding work where an LLM can get it 60% right that you’re taking about.

Ok, so here’s another example. You likely don’t bake all your own bread. People used to either bake their own, or get it from their local artisan. You can, and many people do, still bake their own bread. I bake maybe 20% of my own bread. Many people also buy from artisan bakeries with $8 loaves of sourdough. The skill was never lost, but the bulk of basic unfancy needs are easily handled by generic, basic bread.

And a lot of people are fine with buying garbage white bread made by a machine and never touched by human hands. You know what’s actually a lot of work to make? Plain-ass white bread, perfectly sliced. It’s a great time savings if that’s what you need.

I brew beer, too, and you know what’s a total pain to make by hand? Basic-ass light beer. I make stouts, and would never waste the time on a basic, $2/bottle light beer. But a batch of my own stout, vs. paying $8 a bottle for fancy stouts? Yeah, I’ll make it myself. Even if I make it with help from some malt extract, it’s still better and cheaper than artisinal beers, and it’s what I want for myself.

The vast, vast majority of people on Earth think ramen is nothing more than noodle packets with shit broth. I love making a 2-day tonkatsu broth. Really develop the flavors, simmer for 12-18 hours. Cook the egg just right… Love it because it’s worth it. But if I’m starving and need something fast… Maybe I would eat a cheap ramen packet.

With food, there are hundreds of similar examples. No one has lost the skills, but that also doesn’t mean that everything needs to be done artisinally all the time. We do this all the time in life. Just because this is the iteration that happened when you were an adult doesn’t make it unique or unusual. We’ve done this as a species often. Once a generation, or so.