aww sadly canva, of all things, isn’t an infinite money machine. truly the hardest of times. fucking idiots.

Yeah but they’re not making any money, they’re not going to be able to keep this up from revenue from regular people, there just simply isn’t enough of them or enough interest in the technology.

Yeah but that usage isn’t going to kill the planet, it pales in comparison to a single lazy system admin who uses it to generate all of his work or analyze through a company’s entire codebase. I don’t think the buildout is sustainable (or going to happen), and I think over time more people will shift into the usage model that you mention - running capable models locally on their own devices. They’re trying to essentially capture the entire industry before that happens.

there’s a big giant line between buying up 2.5 times the world’s capacity for data and gpu compute and speculatively trying to build thousands of community-destroying data centers because you have some deluded idea that it will ‘solve work’ or generate infinite value or whatever the fuck is going on with those people and someone using an LLM to summarize their fucking emails. If you seem them as being literally exactly the same, then I guess OP came to the right place, good lord. If you can acknowledge that when this hysteria passes there will still be tools out there that parse data and return it as text and that people will still use that and can do so without being cartoon villains, then I think OP should centralize his concerns around whether it’s actually harming him vs this henny penny bullshit.

I don’t know what you’re talking about anymore, I’m sorry. You even quoted yourself, to demonstrate how much I think you’re just talking to yourself at this point.

As I suspected you’re just looking for agreement and not advice. So yeah, you’re right dude just keep pressing her on this, it would be a great idea.

You should phrase your concerns to her in the form ‘Your use of AI harms me in <specific way(s)>’ to her, then. Don’t talk about the planet, don’t talk about licenses. Is she not spending time with you that she’s spending with the AI? Is she spending excessive money on tokens and hurting your family? What is she doing that’s actually hurting you? Having a different opinion than you doesn’t count as a harm.

ETA: I also read every comment in the thread before I responded. No one just proferred that maybe you’re just flat out wrong and need to stop pushing your weird opinion this deep into your relationship. And I think the fact that you ran to the fuck_ai community to ask for relationship advice is testament to that. Come on bro.

I wasn’t asking for an abstract concept of how LLMs can cause ethical harms, I was asking how this person ever made the case that his GF’s particular use of AI was causing ethical harm. As I said in my last comment, responding with esoteric random arguments (arguments, not facts, I still remember when ‘theft’ required actually having to lose property) is not how you resolve a dispute in a relationship or a difference of opinion. I’m not backpedaling, you just demonstrated exactly what OP is doing and why it isn’t relevant to the situation.

…ok, so are you saying that this guy should start talking about copyleft licenses and that will resolve his relationship dispute? Because I’m saying he should accept that she has a different opinion and that he may even be wrong since she’s demonstrably not using it unethically (assuming she’s not trying to LLM-wash some open source software), I’m not really sure how what you mentioned is a relevant harm that would change his gf’s opinion?

ETA: To give you a better idea what I’m talking about, let’s say that the gf really just ethically thinks playing video games is a massive waste of time, and she raises that concern. And that he thinks that playing video games is a social outlet so that he can spend time with friends from high school, and have a fun time, and that the time he spends with it is in balance with the rest of his priorities and life.

The GF has a valid opinion about video games, but she’s not going to win any arguments with someone who is enjoying their usage in a balanced way with random ideological arguments, and moreover, she needs to either accept that this is something he enjoys to do in the balance of his life, and/or that she gasp may be wrong and/or leave the relationship if it’s really that big of a deal, but it would seem like she’s a bit of a nutter if she does that, to me at least.

You’re making a legitimate argument, but an argument isn’t a fact. he can say to his gf til he’s blue in the face that she’s being unethical, but he hasn’t demonstrated (nor can he really beyond theoretical hand waving) who is actually harmed by her use of AI. That isn’t to say there aren’t real harms that can happen and do happen, but it’s a bit ridiculous to tell someone who’s using an LLM to summarize an email that they’re responsible for the downfall of society. Get a grip

Hey here’s something you should probably hear: You’re wrong.

You claim there’s no ethical use of AI, yet you don’t ever actually prove that claim. Your GF sits there, ethically using it in front of you and you can’t see it because your ideology blinds you. You literally ran to the fuck_ai forum for ideological relief. It’s kind of pathetic. Leave your GF alone.

every time the Americans go ‘oh shit I think we’re obviously living in a fascist regime!’ they forget about it within a week, this is like the 8th time in the last 2 years that this headline has run.

Well we are also trusting an advertising company to filter out ads.

Yeah no shit, 20 years of gmails ‘s complete inability to determine spam from real email is testament to this

Is there ever not an oppressor and oppressed? If not this is a shit framework for evaluating anything.

We could be mere months away from the next stupid thing we prompt it to do with no accountability. Idk feelin cute rn might hack a balkan or smthn lol

The kind of specs that would enable local LLM usage were available on laptops since 2020. The floor for acceptable performance for LLMs stopped literally just before 24+gb of VRAM would have become pretty common in consumer applications. The reason this technology isn’t more ubiquitously available is because ‘they’ thought it would be more profitable to hoover up literally every byte of RAM and GPU in the world rather than let the technology continue to naturally evolve to a place where any consumer could have run useful models on their home computers. In other words, your anger is misplaced.