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  • Have you read the article at all?

    Unlike you I actually did.

    This was no “we evaluated, it did not work”.

    there were reports late last year that the officials were running into formatting issues such as blank pages when opening Office documents in Collabora and vice versa.

    It was “we don’t like this. Hey, Bob, please tell us how it doesn’t work” - “Sure, I had this one document which rendered wrongly” - “see, it doesn’t work, now we can scratch the project”.

    Vivid imagination. Nothing of that kind is in the article but you seem to have made up your mind.



  • 95% of the time Microsoft formats render fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯.

    Ask the Danes if that’s true. Apparently not so much.

    You write “edge case” yourself.

    In my case yes. In case of the Danish public sector it’s either not an edge case or 5% broken documents are way too much. I’m not a Dane in the public sector to tell which it is but it appears to be one of those two.

    But the way forward is not playing catch.

    Forward not, but it is to deal with countless of existing documents. There is no way around this fact. That’s like expecting Steam Decks to be successful by not providing compatibility with existing Windows games. Valve tried already with the first generation of Steam Machines / SteamOS 1.x & 2.x. Didn’t work.

    Are native Steam Linux Runtime native games a better path forward than relying in Proton? Absolutely. Will there ever be a Linux version of Diablo 4? No.

    A community project like LibreOffice can afford not to care much about legacy MS Office documents. A commercial enterprise that expects to get public contracts absolute cannot. And what’s so insane about this is that Collabora is actually the main contractor for Valve on SteamOS and yet they don’t transfer the business learnings from that to their own office suite.


  • Yeah, because I never have to switch Proton or Wine versions or use some launch options or something.

    95% of the time they don’t. And that’s the point.

    And, come on, legacy documents don’t render correctly? Guess what, try to open old Microsoft Office shit in new Microsoft office programs: that shit breaks, like, a lot. Not even Microsoft can stay Microsoft compatible 😅.

    Well, if Collabora Office was as compatible as MS Office, Denmark would have switched. But it’s not and denial won’t change anything. I have an old .doc (not .docx) file that my employer needs for a weird edge case and the only way I can open it under Linux is the Office.com web suite.

    Again, Collabora is a commercial enterprise. They need to act like it and throw resources at massively improving file format compatibility, no matter how messy MS formats are.


  • Yeah, and that would work, if Microsofts format actually could be considered a standard in any way. But it doesn’t.

    Win32, DirectX, etc. aren’t standard either and yet Wine/Proton are proper clean room reverse engineered solutions good enough that >95% of the time users don’t see any difference.

    Microsoft update breaks stuff, you fix it

    Problem is that even legacy documents are not properly read.

    so you have a lot of users telling their bosses “LibreOffice bad”.

    Collabora is a commercial enterprise. Collabora Office is FOSS just like Proton but just like Proton there is a company behind it that bets their income on proper compatibility. Difference is that Valve works on that compatibility and Collabora doesn’t.

    Collabora need to get their act together and automate document round-tripping.