The following, found in comments, is a freaking neat analogy regarding vibe-coded awful sorrowful nonsense out there…
- Benjamin Burnley makes gaming mods?! The f*ck? That’s awesome!
- Well he vibe codes gaming mods. idk if i would say he makes them. ~ That_Cripple
- He made it. Constructed it. Whatever you want to call it. You didn’t. Vibe coding isn’t doing nothing.
- He ordered it. When I order a steak at a steakhouse that doesn’t make me a chef. ~ SpacePrezSource: https://redd.it/1w9vfue (Benjamin Burnley interrupts a Breaking Benjamin concert with a rant about his True First Person 1.2 Fallout 4 mod…)
Meanwhile, of course, the music/art of the Breaking Benjamin, the Fallout Community, and the art around all the Universes, including The Elder Scrolls, Starfield, Fallout… of the artists/developers at Bethesda, Zenimax, Id… is infinitely, ineffably magnificent…
Related: https://lemmy.world/post/51702807 (Breaking Benjamin frontman pauses concert to rant about Fallout 4 modding beef…)
There’s a fine line maybe.
If you go to a shitty rated restaurant and ask to prepare a steak that meets certain procedures and requirements, and they bring it to you to test it, and you send back with corrections, repeatedly till it resembles a quality cooked meal… then you are somewhat a chef.
It’s an old debate, like when the camera was invented (while artists were painting landscaoes in the field) and could make perfect landscape pictures…is the photographer an artist?
It’s a tool.
If you just pump out slop and don’t curate anything then its just garbage slop; because its still slop automata at this stage.
I went through this this weekend. I have a bash script I wrote years ago to unlock my WD backup drive in Linux. I’m not a programmer, I just know the process and searched forums and stackexchange till I could cobble together a script that would do a few simple things.
- check if a WD drive is connected
- ask if you are setting a new password or using old one
- branch to cooking a password file or branch to unlocking the drive
- send command to drive with encryoted password binary.
- report back success or errors
So, did I make that script or did stackexchange?
Then this weeknd I wanted a GUI for it…but I know way less about GUI programming, so I fed my script into an LLM and asked for a GTK interface. It took my code and rewrote it for a dialog interface. It took six attempts to get it working with me guiding it. It added a few features on its own that I hadn’t thought of, and were actually good choices.
- is password.bin the proper format/character byte length check
- file browser if you wanted to pick the password out of a state directory, or send it direct
I feel I made more of the bash script than the GUI program. But both were done by using tools and tweaks
Does ordering from Subway make me a chef? I’m prompting the employee to assemble the sandwich I want, after all.
I think we’re getting hung up on the chef thing. The point is, you’ve eaten. You can eat well by cooking it yourself or by going to a good restaurant with an amazing chef.
Conversely if you eat microwaved meals all week, or live off drive through food, your food was technically made by a chef, but you may not live past 50.
LLMs in society are a very complex thing. The core technology isn’t evil. The capitalist-overdrive approach is mental. And the unregulated way it is introduced into society is irresponsible.
Once you understand that this is a probabilistic tool that with some tinkering can run locally, and should not be trusted as a deterministic tool for research, fact finding or calculations, you have a tool you can use for something in addition to several other tools.



